Produced by Joseph Cottrell, Wayne Hall, Doug Curran and Jeffrey Crecelius
This week, Mark and I have been taking a somewhat forensic look at the newly-released Roosevelt Stadium Jersey City 17 June 1976 live set. We go rather deeply into the weeds around the quality, sources, presentation and packaging, all for your edification. Mark uncovers some surprising aspects of the (rather expensive) vinyl version of this release and we both enjoy the actual performances of the band which featured Patrick Moraz rather than Rick Wakeman at this time, during the Solo Albums Tour.
- What does this recording sound like?
- Where did it come from?
- What are the troubling aspects of the vinyl version?
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- Doug Curran
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15 replies on “Roosevelt 1976 Live – 733”
I’ve first heard parts of this show on a bootleg I owned since the 1990s, called Quasi Mystical Vision. I have no access to that right now since I’m on holiday, but I’m pretty sure the audio quality is about the same. The most important distinction is that somewhere during the bootleg you hear a radio announcement, something like “You’re listing to Yes live at Roosevelt Stadium in Jersey City etc etc”. Since the mixing of the new official release sounds about the same and is still heavily compressed, I’m pretty sure that this recording is still of an FM broadcast, and there might be no soundboard recording of this. It might have been mixed live in a van to out straight to FM on the night itself, or it was recorded to tape and broadcast later, but then surely they haven’t used those tapes to source the current release. Those might be lost. But the hiss Mark has heard could be FM hiss as well as tape hiss…
The whole packaging sounds like a money grab to me…
Thanks Joost. Yes, it certainly is rather disappointing to spend so much with little more than another version of something already freely available. Nice cover though.
I am happy they still want to look back and celebrate various highlights. A serious visual booklet, informative, with fresh material would have added a great deal.
The correct details re the sound production names was provided. It appears to have either not reached the correct production people, or it was too late for the production deadline for the cover. Could be those, or even more reasons.
The cover is great, the etched disc looks cool, it’s an historic time, and it feels it. I have waited a long time for the Jon’s harp track on an official release. Energetic Yes in a prime time.
I agree about the harp!!
Well if I get to be a “producer” here, Eddie O. gets a pass. 😉
Ha! Yes indeed!!
Hmmm, i was enjoying this release. I never had the bootleg and am intersted in this era of the band and was enjoying the music but you pointed out so many bad things i feel a bit cheated by Rhino now!,
I will give it a break for a few months and then go back to it….i love side 3 the most.
I have really enjoyed listening to it, despite everything. I hope you do too when you come back to it.
Once again fascinating episode with worms spilling endlessly from the can. Thanks for the clarity on many issues and aside, nice to hear Mark use the term ‘jipped’ (meaning ‘ripped off’?) which I haven’t heard for a-g-e-s!
Meanwhile, a release that does indeed feel a little ‘jippy’ I feel. For the people who are most likely to buy this, a better effort could surely have been made – often the bootleggers are the ones who set the standard for unofficial releases and the involvement of dedicated Yes fans/commentators might have enhanced this release by far.
The shuffling for vinyl does irritate me when it so obviously disrupts the flow just to shoehorn into a twenty minute vinyl passage – why not give the option of the full uninterrupted gig on a CD where two discs would certainly suffice. Indeed – controversial – but why even produce on vinyl (and I’ll guess at the £££ or $$$, especially hearing the whopping price Mark paid for his 5 sides).
The mention of Boston ’74 (great show!)on a semi official CD – of which there are several knocking about – is perhaps he place for this show at a more competitive price, as surely, any deep fan will have already sourced the best possible, erm, source, of Roosevelt and feel a little ‘meh’ about the release.
Ever onward and hopefully one day, a proper Wembley ’78 with bells and whistles that we can all groove and drool over….
Proper Wembley is certainly a real possibility, if all the legal issues can be ironed out…
A very interesting chat lads.
I certainly won’t be buying this. I’d like to have the Relayer live material but the way this has been put together seems like a dog’s dinner
…less tasty, perhaps.
As Mark wasn’t sure what to call casual fans I have worked it out. It’s basically a maths issue.
Y+X = 100%
If Y is 5% ie the five percenters what is X
Answer the 95 percenters.
Yes!!! I agree.
Thanks again Mark and Kevin for a great episode – there’s no one who consistently delivers such great Yes-bytes for us on a weekly basis.
I know the episode was intended as a warts and all open discussion primarily aimed at the 5% however, so I trust you’ll allow some comments of my own.
My underlying fear is that when we as fans get into criticising these releases that there’s a risk that Rhino hear there comments and decide – it seems we can’t keep the major fans happy so let’s quit. What I do know is – physical product does not sell much these days. And live releases consistently sell less than studio releases. Personally I’m delighted that this show has had an official release. I can remember the days when Yessongs and YesShows were the band’s only live albums and we were dying to get releases like this!!!
The RSD releases came out of Yale Bowl etc, and many complained at the faux-bootleg covers. So … they get a Roger Dean cover and … well it’s a shame it wasn’t a gatefold or a triple. There comes a point where we have to be realistic. This is the music BUSINESS. What’s the sales impact of a single cover compared to a gatefold – practically zero I expect. What’s the business impact of the cost / design – how probably quite a bit. So single sleeve wins.
What about lavish photo booklet, background to the tour… commission some writers, license some photos for it, colour print in 12 inch format – will it sell any more? Probably not.
What about the sonics … do we go for a triple Grammy winning person to master it, or do we do it cheap? Well in this case they went with the more expensive option.
I think it’s cool to have our side chats on this stuff but ultimately I’d love to see more of this from Rhino – I’m a fan of the band’s music and if they are on a campaign to release some of the great FM shows that are known to exist in more forums, bring it on!!