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Produced by Jeffrey Crecelius, Wayne Hall, Preston Frazier and Bill Govier
You’ll be amazed by the story we are told by Jon Dee and Dave Watkinson this week. They were the only people beyond the inner circle of the band to hear Cinema in their original format, shortly before the band morphed into the Yes of 90125.
We had such a brilliant time hearing all about it this week!
- Who were Cinema?
- How did Jon and Dave come to be there at a rehearsal?
- How and why did the band change their name to Yes?
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Producers:
- Jeffrey Crecelius
- Preston Frazier
- Bill Govier and
- Wayne Hall
Patrons:
| Aaron Steelman | Dave Owen |
| Mark James Lang | Paul Tomei |
| Joost Maglev | David Heyden |
| Martin Kjellberg | Paul Wilson |
| Bob Martilotta | Lind |
| Michael O’Connor | Peter Hearnden |
| Brian Sullivan | David Pannell |
| Miguel Falcão | Lobate Scarp |
| Chris Bandini | David Watkinson |
| Neal Kaforey | Rachel Hadaway |
| Craig Estenes | Dem |
| Paul Hailes | Mark ‘Zarkol’ Baggs |
| Doug Curran | Robert Nasir |
| Fergus Cubbage | Scott Colombo |
| Fred Barringer | Scott Smith |
| Geoff Bailie | Simon Barrow |
| Geoffrey Mason | Stephen Lambe |
| Guy R DeRome | Steve Dill |
| Henrik Antonsson | Steve Perry |
| Hogne Bø Pettersen | Steve Rode |
| IanNB | Steve Scott |
| Jamie McQuinn | Steven Roehr |
| Ken Fuller | Terence Sadler |
| Michael Handerhan | Tim Stannard |
| Jim | Todd Dudley |
| John Cowan | Tony Handley |
| John Holden | Joseph Cottrell |
| John Parry | Keith Hoisington |
| John Thomson | William Hayes |
| Barry Gorsky |
Robert and David
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Theme music
The music I use is the last movement of Stravinsky’s Firebird Suite. This has been used as introduction music at many Yes concerts. My theme music is not take from a live concert – I put it together from the following two creative commons sources: thanvannispen and archive.org
11 replies on “Who were Cinema? Dave Watkinson and Jon Dee tell the story… 418”
Really enjoyed the Ice/Cinema discussion with the always wonderful Jon Dee and Mr David “Warriors” Watkinson. Some amazing memories Gentlemen. Here’s hoping that a full length Cinema version of 90125 surfaces down the track.
I like the new nick name!
Trevor’s relationship with Mutt Lange goes back to the 1970s, they are both from South Africa, and the sessions referred to took place there, when Trevor was in his late teens and early 20s. It’s never been conclusively stated, but I don’t believe Trevor played on any of the Def Leppard albums which Mutt produced at that time.
Fascinating!
What an amazing experience and wonderful memories.
Excellent show all! It’s great to hear Jon Dee, who I hadn’t heard on a podcast before.
Regarding Def Leppard, Tony Kaye plays keyboards on the ‘Pyromania’ album, he told me back in the 80s. It’s very hard to make out most of his playing as he’s mostly doubling guitar lines.
With Yes backstage in ’84 on the 90125 tour, I was given a 60 minute audiotape of Ice/Cinema demos, which includes “Time.” I had talked to Trevor and Chris in ’82 and ’83 for my radio shows about their new band and had asked to hear some of the music. I still have the tape. Haven’t played it in many years.
Any chance of hearing the interview and music?
Dave W
Hi Doug,
It would be great to digitally transfer these songs off your tape.
I have done this with a lot of old tapes from my old recording sessions. It’s really important to have these old tapes professionally “cooked” before you play them again after such a long time.
“Cooking” them helps to reduce the risk of the tape getting mangled and it improves the audio quality (this is NOT cooking the tapes in a normal oven by the way!!).
I have used a great company in London who specialise in this technique and I would be happy to help do the transfer.
You might have the only remaining copy of ‘Time’ on that tape. Would be great to make sure it’s preserved for history in digital form!
Best regards,
Jon
I was lucky I didn’t need to cook my tapes as even if 50 years old it depends on how well they play. I know a london studio also and I still have a few things to do, if I want to invest again, this time it’s a gamble if anything on them.
D
Excellent show, all! Great to hear Jon Dee, who I’ve never heard on a podcast.
Regarding Tony & Def Leppard, he plays keyboards on the ‘Pyromania’ album. He’s mostly doubling guitar lines, he told me in the 80s.
Regarding Ice/Cinema, backstage in ’84 on the ‘90125’ tour, I was given a 60 minutes audiotape of demos. I had talked in ’82 & ’83 to Chris & Trevor for my radio shows about their new band, and said I would love to hear the music. The tape includes “Time.” I still have it, but haven’t played it in many years.
Would love to hear the Time tape. I’ve only heard about it, never actually heard it
I saw Trevor with Rabbitt in 76 / 77 in South Africa – so the Cinema development is the most fascinating story and this interview is like discovering gold – Thank you – A few mostly successful producers and musicians form the 70s came from South Africa – namely Mutt – Kevin Shirley – Manfred Mann – Anton Fig – Cinema in London 1982 – what an exciting time it must have been – Trevor was already living in LA – not sure if he relocated to live in London for this period of rehearsal and recording Thanks once again